Recall on Tylenol Infant Plus Cold & Cough - CVS deal last week

[DS7]

For anyone who stocked up on the Tylenol Cold & Cough (or any of the cold and cough for infants under 2) these are being recalled due to 2 deaths of children under 2. Many of you may have purchased these when they had the ExtraCare Bucks deal last week. I know I did for my 10 month old.

Return them to CVS for a refund.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21247580/from/ET/

[wannacry45]

Some idiot parents ***misused*** (quoted) those drugs and now everybody pays the price. Just stupid parents, no fault with drugs

[ngocbe]

I believe it's only the Tylenol PLUS that got recalled.

[Penrph]

Some idiot parents ***misused*** (quoted) those drugs and now everybody pays the price. Just stupid parents, no fault with drugs

thanks, i was just going to say the same thing. These drugs are perfectly safe if taken as directed. I'm a pharmacist, and i'm sick of dealing with idiots who think that overdosing means better results.

I believe it's only the Tylenol PLUS that got recalled.

Cold medicines being withdrawn include: Johnson & Johnson Pediacare Infant Drops and Tylenol Concentrated Infants Drops, Wyeth’s Dimetapp Decongestant Infant Drops, Novartis’ Triaminic Infant & Toddler Thin Strips and Prestige Brands Holdings’ Little Colds Decongestant Plus Cough.

[batosai]

Thanks for the further info Penrph!

Reps to both OP & you.

[tracydr]

Is it just items sold within a certain timeframe or is it ALL of them? I purchased the Pediacare drops maybe 3 months ago, do I need to return those as well? I have no receipt, etc. because it was so long ago.

This is totally stupid. I have 3 kids, and I have always given them this stuff.....if parents are overdosing their children then it's a parental issue, not a medicine issue. I am more concerned about giving my son his prednisone for his allergies than I am giving my toddler pediacare. *sigh* Just try to make it more difficult on us, don't they.

[bari]

Thanks For Sharing info

[angelwings]

Some idiot parents ***misused*** (quoted) those drugs and now everybody pays the price. Just stupid parents, no fault with drugs

well when there is no dosing for under two
then guess the last 4 decades has had many "idiot" parents
who thought since it says 'infant' it was safe
even in small doses in some of the cases of death
was not "overdosing" for some of the rare cases

“When it comes to children under age two there are no recommended doses on these products so it’s not reasonable to claim they are safe and effective when used as directed,” said Dr. Joshua Sharfstein, Baltimore’s health commissioner.

thanks for the heads up on the voluntary recall
will pass it on
as for us we do not use this crap since never works anyway

[Eddiedundidit]

thanks for the info.. will rep when i can!

[dcrob]

just think, if they took all of the drugs off the market that killed only 2 people, there wouldn't be much, if any, drugs on the market at all.

[AutumnGriffin]

thanks, i was just going to say the same thing. These drugs are perfectly safe if taken as directed. I'm a pharmacist, and i'm sick of dealing with idiots who think that overdosing means better results.



Cold medicines being withdrawn include: Johnson & Johnson Pediacare Infant Drops and Tylenol Concentrated Infants Drops, Wyeth’s Dimetapp Decongestant Infant Drops, Novartis’ Triaminic Infant & Toddler Thin Strips and Prestige Brands Holdings’ Little Colds Decongestant Plus Cough.

:eek: That's a relief, was thinking there was something wrong with the medicine itself. Our baby just got his first set of 4 immunization shots last week so in order to prevent a fever/reaction we used the Tylenol Infant drops (as directed of course) and they worked great thankfully. It's nice to know it was just some morons that cannot follow directions. We still have nearly a full bottle left so I assume their fine to use.

[mikeyblurp]

thanks for info!

[AutumnGriffin]

well when there is no dosing for under two
then guess the last 4 decades has had many "idiot" parents
who thought since it says 'infant' it was safe
even in small doses in some of the cases of death
was not "overdosing" for some of the rare cases

“When it comes to children under age two there are no recommended doses on these products so it’s not reasonable to claim they are safe and effective when used as directed,” said Dr. Joshua Sharfstein, Baltimore’s health commissioner.

thanks for the heads up on the voluntary recall
will pass it on
as for us we do not use this crap since never works anyway

hence why you should go to your Pediatrician if baby is sick/ill. Our Ped. told us how much to give our 2mth. old baby if he experienced any temp. between certain degrees when he got his 4 immun. shots last week. The infant tylenol drops worked great last weekend so not sure why you dislike them.

[Penrph]

:eek: That's a relief, was thinking there was something wrong with the medicine itself. Our baby just got his first set of 4 immunization shots last week so in order to prevent a fever/reaction we used the Tylenol Infant drops (as directed of course) and they worked great thankfully. It's nice to know it was just some morons that cannot follow directions. We still have nearly a full bottle left so I assume their fine to use.

i gave my son Tylenol for 2 days after his first set of shots because he was running a fever, and he was perfectly fine (he's 12 weeks old now). As long as you follow the directions and don't exceed the recommended dose (and yes, infant drops do have dosage and directions for infants on them!) the child will be perfectly safe.

[iuseyew]

:eek: That's a relief, was thinking there was something wrong with the medicine itself. Our baby just got his first set of 4 immunization shots last week so in order to prevent a fever/reaction we used the Tylenol Infant drops (as directed of course) and they worked great thankfully. It's nice to know it was just some morons that cannot follow directions. We still have nearly a full bottle left so I assume their fine to use.
immunizations... i wont go there..

[tayaran]

thumbs up from me just because you cared to place it on this site, so people with kids that bought these medicines can take some action ...

[AutumnGriffin]

immunizations... i wont go there..

lol, you one of those hippie parents, eh? Our baby has 2 small holes in his heart so with immun's. it prevents the worst from happening (can get an infection terribly bad if exposed to the viruses or whatnot). We would rather be safe than sorry. :heart:

thumbs up from me just because you cared to place it on this site, so people with kids that bought these medicines can take some action ...

purchased here but no action needed b/c we know how to read & follow the directions (nothing wrong with the meds., just ignorant parents).

[normanwestjr]

Good to know. Reps to you, OP.

[joefix93]

i gave my son Tylenol for 2 days after his first set of shots because he was running a fever, and he was perfectly fine (he's 12 weeks old now). As long as you follow the directions and don't exceed the recommended dose (and yes, infant drops do have dosage and directions for infants on them!) the child will be perfectly safe.

The original news release was slightly unclear regarding Tylenol Concentrated Infant Drops. The only product being pulled off the shelf is is the Tylenol Concentrated Infant Drops Plus Cold & Cough or Plus Cold. I freaked out when I first read the release and just about drove to the local drug store to stock up on the Tylenol Drops - nothing better for the little ones' fevers....

The comments from the doctors regarding efficacy of the drugs in infants is directed towards the types of products being removed from the market - specifically, decongestants - not the products with acetaminophen by itself.

[BLKJLK]

ATTENTION MORE THAN JUST TYLENOLE COLD!

complete list of recalled

Dimetapp Decongestant Plus Cough
Infant Drops
Dimetapp Decongestant Infant Drops
Little Colds Decongestant Plus Cough
Little Colds Multi-Symptom Cold Formula
PEDIACARE Infant Drops Decongestant (containing pseudoephedrine)
PEDIACARE Infant Drops Decongestant Cough (containing pseudoephedrine)
PEDIACARE Infant Dropper Decongestant (containing phenylephrine)
PEDIACARE Infant Dropper Long-Acting Cough
PEDIACARE Infant Dropper Decongestant & Cough (containing phenylephrine)
Robitussin Infant Cough DM Drops
Triaminic Infant & Toddler Thin Strips Decongestant
Triaminic Infant & Toddler Thin Strips Decongestant Plus Cough
TYLENOL Concentrated Infants' Drops Plus Cold
TYLENOL Concentrated Infants' Drops Plus Cold & Cough

[tobychu]

lol, you one of those hippie parents, eh?

I was just thinking the exact same thing...... :rolleyes:

[Wetdream]

good post.
not everyone reads the newspaper or hears the news (but yea, everyone reads SD)


and trust me - i used to work in a pharmacy, and now in the FDA and its really simple.
Dosage and instructions are placed on medicine for a reason. Unless a DOCTOR tells you different, you just follow.
its SO incredibly simple to understand.

even with "prescription" advil, it should really be administered as a prescription dose by the doctors..
they arent just out there to make money, but help health.

cheers :nod:

[BLKJLK]

So Should We Throw The Meds Away If We Have Them Or What, The Fda Are Not Being Very Clear On What We Should Do. Or Am I Just Not Seeing This.

[malibomb]

Here is a linky to the actual site...

http://www.tylenol.com/page.jhtml?id=tylenol/news/subpcccoldmed.inc

AND they have a coupon for the trouble!

[Monkfish]

Good to know - thanks OP.

[angelwings]

hence why you should go to your Pediatrician if baby is sick/ill. Our Ped. told us how much to give our 2mth. old baby if he experienced any temp. between certain degrees when he got his 4 immun. shots last week. The infant tylenol drops worked great last weekend so not sure why you dislike them.
simply because the cough cold stuff does not work
that is the stuff i was talking about in my post
not plain tylenol for pain/fever
that is not what is being discussed here

yes MOST people would go to their ped to ask
HOWEVER there are many parents who are not maybe educated enough
or insured enough or their beliefs might keep them from doing so
yet based on opinion here those parents are all morons and idiots

[runner0382]

immunizations... i wont go there..

I will refrain from the use of the word "hippie" and instead use a rational retort, such as:

I bet you've never read a scientific journal on anything, let alone in regards to this topic. If you had, you'd know that the vast majority of the literature * does not support * broadbased, general conclusions that immunizations are bad.

Unfortunately, this is the same crowd who also thinks vaccinations cause autism. Again, this is not proven by any stretch of the imagination in the literature. People always just try to find causes for things that, at this point, are not explainable.

You won't find doctors supporting the immunization argument or autism argument for a reason, and it's because they're not scientifically valid, not because they need to make the extra $100 for the visit.

[lovetodeal]

So Should We Throw The Meds Away If We Have Them Or What, The Fda Are Not Being Very Clear On What We Should Do. Or Am I Just Not Seeing This.

Why throw away? I just feel so good that I have bought a couple of bottle, since now I don't know if I can buy it in the store anymore. I have been using it for my children for many years and it HELPED a lot. Just be cautious never go above the dose. Nothing wrong about the med itself.

[maggiesma]

I would keep it to use once your child is older than two.

[angelwings]

So Should We Throw The Meds Away If We Have Them Or What, The Fda Are Not Being Very Clear On What We Should Do. Or Am I Just Not Seeing This.

think it is your call what you decide to do with it
also seems if your child is over the age two would be not be an issue anyway
sounds like they are pulling them until they change the labeling on them

does not sound like they are going to change anything in them

[pjsammy]

Here is a linky to the actual site...

http://www.tylenol.com/page.jhtml?id=tylenol/news/subpcccoldmed.inc

AND they have a coupon for the trouble!

$5 off. I bought a number of these to be returned, but I wonder how many of these will be printed/used by folks just playing the ECB game? [not that there's anything wrong with it, but a $5 coupon will get the CVS juices flowing!]

[BLKJLK]

I Have A Four Year Old And A Five Month Old. So I Guess I Shouldn't Use Them On The 5 Month Old.

[nats311]

just think, if they took all of the drugs off the market that killed only 2 people, there wouldn't be much, if any, drugs on the market at all.

Why is everyone so upset about them pulling a drug off the market when the drug doesn't even work to get rid of coughs and colds?

We tried giving this to my son when he was younger, and it never did a thing. There is also no substantive scientific evidence to suggest this stuff does anything for infants either.

[edit to clarify that i'm speaking only of the cough and cold stuff, not the regular stuff that does wonders on fevers]

[LouPole]

:eek: That's a relief, was thinking there was something wrong with the medicine itself. Our baby just got his first set of 4 immunization shots last week so in order to prevent a fever/reaction we used the Tylenol Infant drops (as directed of course) and they worked great thankfully. It's nice to know it was just some morons that cannot follow directions. We still have nearly a full bottle left so I assume their fine to use.


Just to be clear, the recall is NOT on plain old painkillers/fever reducers, which I assume you gave your baby after immunizations. These are cough and cold medicines that are mixed with Tylenol.

[AutumnGriffin]

I Have A Four Year Old And A Five Month Old. So I Guess I Shouldn't Use Them On The 5 Month Old.

If you can't read/follow the instructions then yes you shouldn't give it to your 5 mth.old. Our baby is 2 months, took the drops last weekend. Nothing wrong w/the meds.... it's mis-dosing causing the problem. Follow the directions & you'll be fine. Don't give more than or more often than what is described on the pkg.

[MARCY0207]

immunizations... i wont go there..

i was thinking the same thing --- and FOUR at once?
:omg:

[nats311]

purchased here but no action needed b/c we know how to read & follow the directions (nothing wrong with the meds., just ignorant parents).

So out of curiosity, each time you have to give this to your child, you call your doctor?

Because that's what the directions say to do.

The problem is partially with idiot parents that just assume that the infant dose is a little under what the 2yo dose is. Or with idiot parents that had a doctor tell them to give a certain amount to their 22 mo old, and they think they should give the same amount to their 4 month old.

Again, why are you giving any of this to your child when it doesn't even work? Beyond that, why did the FDA even approve this drug in the first place when there was no evidence that it helped coughs and colds for infants?

[amarisma]

Thanks for the info. An email had been circulating at my job about the recall but didn't have the reason.

[ChainSmokinBaby]

Here is a linky to the actual site...

http://www.tylenol.com/page.jhtml?id=tylenol/news/subpcccoldmed.inc

AND they have a coupon for the trouble!

WOW! $ 5.00 off coupon

[AutumnGriffin]

i was thinking the same thing --- and FOUR at once?
:omg:

yes, four at once + an oral one (babies get immunizations every mth. at first to prevent against viruses/etc., some that can be life threatening). If you have doubts call your Pediatrician & they'll explain them to you.

[nats311]

If you can't read/follow the instructions then yes you shouldn't give it to your 5 mth.old. Our baby is 2 months, took the drops last weekend. Nothing wrong w/the meds.... it's mis-dosing causing the problem. Follow the directions & you'll be fine. Don't give more than or more often than what is described on the pkg.

Again, please tell us what is described on your package. If you are giving this to your 2 month old, I am guessing you didn't call your doctor as the package clearly indicates.

Our doctor told us not to even think about giving our son this medicine until he was 1, and then to have him see the doctor before we gave it to him. And this was a couple years ago.

Autumn- I think maybe you are confusing the regular medicine with the cough and cold medicine...the regular drops (i.e., for fevers) are one thing, but this recall is for the cough and cold.

[runner0382]

Beyond that, why did the FDA even approve this drug in the first place when there was no evidence that it helped coughs and colds for infants?

The FDA is far from a good governing body. It steers clear of natural supplements not because scientific research doesn't show them to have the same efficacy as big pharma meds, but because lobbying prevents them from doing so.

I'm a med student, and I'm all for meds that work, but there are certain cases where the FDA should evaluate non-med statements from natural supplement makers and set up an approval process. It's atrotious.

[AutumnGriffin]

So out of curiosity, each time you have to give this to your child, you call your doctor?

Because that's what the directions say to do.

The problem is partially with idiot parents that just assume that the infant dose is a little under what the 2yo dose is. Or with idiot parents that had a doctor tell them to give a certain amount to their 22 mo old, and they think they should give the same amount to their 4 month old.

Again, why are you giving any of this to your child when it doesn't even work? Beyond that, why did the FDA even approve this drug in the first place when there was no evidence that it helped coughs and colds for infants?

*Our baby is 2 mths. old.....we've given him the Tylenol infant drops once so far after he had his 4 immun. shots.
*Your own personal opinion is that they don't work (not sure why you feel that way) when in fact they do work, or so they did for us & my sil who has 4 children & have used the same drops for years now.

*For parents that are unsure of how much med. dosage to give a newborn/baby you can still call your Ped's. office & ask. Also if unsure & don't have a Ped. you can also ask
the pharmacist at Walgreens about dosage (sil w/4 children has said that the pharm's. can tell you just as much as the doc can - they've been to med. school also). Not saying skip the doc's office but if you can't afford the doc or just choose to treat a cold/fever OTC at least ask the pharmicist instead of assuming/guessing at a dosade amount.

*Ours are the Concentrated Tylenol Infants Drops, fever reducer Pain Reliever.
-Dosage for us from our Pediatrician during our doc visit he said to give our son 0.4 ML every 4 hrs. as needed.

[venus0105]

$5 off. I bought a number of these to be returned, but I wonder how many of these will be printed/used by folks just playing the ECB game? [not that there's anything wrong with it, but a $5 coupon will get the CVS juices flowing!]

Nice! Anyone think this coupon will beep (not in the system yet)? I'd like to work it into a gift card order but lately when they beep the cashier can't manually put them through when buying a gift card.

Update: FYI the coupon did beep as of last night.

[nats311]

*Our baby is 2 mths. old.....we've given him the Tylenol infant drops once so far after he had his 4 immun. shots.
*Your own personal opinion is that they don't work (not sure why you feel that way) when in fact they do work, or so they did for us & my sil who has 4 children & have used the same drops for years now.

you are using the infant drops. that is not the topic of this conversation. i 100% agree that the infant drops work on fevers.

as for the COUGH and COLD drops that are the subject of this recall, it is not my opinion - there is no scientific evidence to prove that those drops work in getting rid of coughs and colds in infants.

my apologies, but i find it funny that you are complaining about idiot parents that can't read, yet you didn't even read the thread to realize that the recall is referring to COUGH and COLD drops when you are talking about the normal infant drops.

[lpagel]

WOW! $ 5.00 off coupon


AND... I was able to hit the 'back' button and then 'refresh' and it printed another... so 2 $5 off coupons. :)

FYI... I know I have bought at least 2 bottles of the stuff being recalled... although my older son is 3 and my younger is as big as a 2 year old... so I think I'll prob. end up keeping the stuff (since the 'experts' here seem to think that they're safe).

[angelwings]

just think, if they took all of the drugs off the market that killed only 2 people, there wouldn't be much, if any, drugs on the market at all.


actually has been more than two if you read the article

U.S. Food and Drug Administration reviewers have said that from 1969 through 2006 the agency received 54 reports of deaths with decongestants and 69 with antihistamines. Most were in children younger than 2

[Penrph]

actually has been more than two if you read the article

i think you keep missing the "overdose" part. Overdose on some plain Tylenol and you'll end up with liver failure.

[Herky]

Why is everyone so upset about them pulling a drug off the market when the drug doesn't even work to get rid of coughs and colds?

We tried giving this to my son when he was younger, and it never did a thing.

Perhaps because there are more children in the world than just your own? Perhaps these medications provide relief of cold symptoms for some other children aside from yours? We spoke to our pediatrician about giving this type of medication to our 16-month-old and he calculated the exact dosage based on the contents. Leaving symptoms, such as nasal congestion, untreated can lead to more severe things like an ear infection. Been through that once and would rather treat a runny nose than an ear infection.

Like everything, it's those who use things responsibly who are upset when the few who use it irresponsibly cause a product is removed.

[Eddiedundidit]

:bump: for kiddies

[nats311]

Perhaps because there are more children in the world than just your own? Perhaps these medications provide relief of cold symptoms for some other children aside from yours? We spoke to our pediatrician about giving this type of medication to our 16-month-old and he calculated the exact dosage based on the contents. Leaving symptoms, such as nasal congestion, untreated can lead to more severe things like an ear infection. Been through that once and would rather treat a runny nose than an ear infection.

Like everything, it's those who use things responsibly who are upset when the few who use it irresponsibly cause a product is removed.

That's fair...I guess if it gives you peace of mind that it solved your childs problems, that's good. And maybe you should call the New England Journal of Medicine, because they would love to have evidence that this stuff actually works. As of now, they don't have any, which is why this recall is such a no-brainer.

That said, you did the exact right thing (and the exact thing we did) - called your pediatrician. When our son was only a few months old, our pediatrician told us not even to buy it until he was 1 year old. The next winter, we called and the pediatrician REFUSED to give out any dosage over the phone - we had to come in. When we came in, he calculated the dosage and told us to give it to him, but he even told us only give it at night because the only thing the medicine might be good for was helping him get a good night sleep.

If everyone took the care that you and I did, then I agree, this recall wouldn't be taking place. But, as you can tell from my situation, getting the dosage info was not easy, so many parents don't want to go through that effort and will just give their child what they think is right.

[trenton76]

54 deaths in 40 years is nothing.

The Washington Post recently reported that there has been approximately 340 deaths in the last 10 years due to children trapped inside their car.

So let's prohibit kids from traveling in automobiles too while we're trying to protect the idiot parents, eh?

Unbelievable.

[nats311]

Leaving symptoms, such as nasal congestion, untreated can lead to more severe things like an ear infection.

To clarify, there is certainly NO evidence that Tylenol Cough and Cold or anything like that prevents ear infections. Some kids are just gonna get ear infections. It's not fun, but that's the way it is.

Treating symptoms is just that - treating the symptom. Just because you treat the symptom doesn't mean that you are getting to the core issue, and often it is the core issue that causes things like ear infections, not runny noses and coughs.

[cvs247]

If you can't read/follow the instructions then yes you shouldn't give it to your 5 mth.old. Our baby is 2 months, took the drops last weekend. Nothing wrong w/the meds.... it's mis-dosing causing the problem. Follow the directions & you'll be fine. Don't give more than or more often than what is described on the pkg.

at 2 months, my baby wasnt allowed any cold meds.

[OneHotRT]

For anyone who stocked up on the Tylenol Cold & Cough (or any of the cold and cough for infants under 2) these are being recalled due to 2 deaths of children under 2. Many of you may have purchased these when they had the ExtraCare Bucks deal last week. I know I did for my 10 month old.

Return them to CVS for a refund.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21247580/from/ET/

Read the article closely, this is not a recall, it is a voluntary withdrawl by the drug companies.

" Dr. Nancy Snyderman told MSNBC Thursday. The risk occurs when parents confuse the droppers included with infant medications with larger medicine cups that are used for doses for older children and adults"

The trade group stressed in a statement that the “medicines are, and have always been, safe at recommended doses.”

However, industry critics challenged this statement.

[Penrph]

at 2 months, my baby wasnt allowed any cold meds.

reading is fundamental. She's talking about plain Tylenol drops. Nowhere did she mention Tylenol Cold.

[nats311]

reading is fundamental. She's talking about plain Tylenol drops. Nowhere did she mention Tylenol Cold.

Yes, it is fundamental.

This entire thread is about the Cold and Cough...the original post on giving this to a 2 month old should have never been made in the first place.

[AutumnGriffin]

Yes, it is fundamental.

This entire thread is about the Cold and Cough...the original post on giving this to a 2 month old should have never been made in the first place.

:shake: Funny you should say that. Perhaps you should have read the article as well.......entirely

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21247580/from/ET/

Cold medicines being withdrawn include: Johnson & Johnson Pediacare Infant Drops and Tylenol Concentrated Infants Drops, Wyeth’s Dimetapp Decongestant Infant Drops, Novartis’ Triaminic Infant & Toddler Thin Strips and Prestige Brands Holdings’ Little Colds Decongestant Plus Cough.

[squash2j]

WOW! $ 5.00 off coupon

That's a pretty good coupon! Don't forget to hit your browser's back button, refresh (some have to click 'retry' if a box pops up) and you can print the coupon again. Twice is the limit, tho! :)

[dcrob]

actually has been more than two if you read the article

I was just quoting the OP.

My point is that if you do some research and find out how many people die as a result of taking OTC medications that anyone can buy, then there wouldn't be many meds on the shelves. Alot of it may be due to stupidity, ignorance, lack of education, etc, but many people are dying every day.

for example:

"Each year, use of NSAIDs (Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs) accounts for an estimated 7,600 deaths and 76,000 hospitalizations in the United States." (NSAIDs include aspirin, ibuprofen, naproxen, diclofenac, ketoprofen, and tiaprofenic acid.)
Source: Robyn Tamblyn, PhD; Laeora Berkson, MD, MHPE, FRCPC; W. Dale Jauphinee, MD, FRCPC; David Gayton, MD, PhD, FRCPC; Roland Grad, MD, MSc; Allen Huang, MD, FRCPC; Lisa Isaac, PhD; Peter McLeod, MD, FRCPC; and Linda Snell, MD, MHPE, FRCPC, "Unnecessary Prescribing of NSAIDs and the Management of NSAID-Related Gastropathy in Medical Practice," Annals of Internal Medicine (Washington, DC: American College of Physicians, 1997), September 15, 1997, 127:429-438, from the web at http://www.acponline.org/journals/annals/15sep97/nsaid.htm, last accessed Feb. 14, 2001, citing Fries, JF, "Assessing and understanding patient risk," Scandinavian Journal of Rheumatology Supplement, 1992;92:21-4.

[nats311]

:shake: Funny you should say that. Perhaps you should have read the article as well.......entirely

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21247580/from/ET/

Cold medicines being withdrawn include: Johnson & Johnson Pediacare Infant Drops and Tylenol Concentrated Infants Drops, Wyeth’s Dimetapp Decongestant Infant Drops, Novartis’ Triaminic Infant & Toddler Thin Strips and Prestige Brands Holdings’ Little Colds Decongestant Plus Cough.


:rolleyes:

You should check the official release from Tylenol (I think their information is better than MSNBC's)...Here is the official list from Tylenol...it is all the cold and cough ones...the regular tylenol drops are not included.

Concentrated TYLENOL® Infants' Drops Plus Cold
Concentrated TYLENOL® Infants' Drops Plus Cold & Cough
PediaCare® Infant Dropper Decongestant
PediaCare® Infant Dropper Long-Acting Cough
PediaCare® Infant Drops Decongestant (containing pseudoephedrine)
PediaCare® Infant Dropper Decongestant & Cough
PediaCare® Infant Drops Decongestant & Cough (containing pseudoephedrine)

Also, Tylenol even goes one step further and drops this nugget on us:

Additionally, these actions do not apply to Infants' and Children's TYLENOL® and MOTRIN® pain relievers and fever reducers. When used as directed, these products are safe and effective.

:eek: :eek: :eek:

[Mustinger]

In for 2

[maybaby]

Don't know if this was mentioned or not but they are offering a printable $5 coupon off any Tylenol, Motrin, PediaCare, Benadryl, Sudafed, St. Joseph or imodium product on their website.

http:www.tylenol.com

Forgot to say just click on the learn more for coupon

[dementia]

coupon let me print it twice. I would imagine that if you uninstall the coupon printer program and then revisit, you could do it again and again.

also note, there are more coupons on the right hand edge of the page (but not near as good as 5 bucks off)

[bigdaddyof3]

think it is your call what you decide to do with it
also seems if your child is over the age two would be not be an issue anyway
sounds like they are pulling them until they change the labeling on them

does not sound like they are going to change anything in them

In 1 of the articles there is a phone number to call the company & they will send you a $5 coupon off any product.

This is not a recall, they are discontinuing the medicines for child safety, according to the people at the company I talked to, so no, they are not changing the labeling.

The medicine is perfectly safe if used at correct dosages, but as stated before, people are overdosing. There is no need to return them to the store.

[MrStank]

I support keeping these drugs on the market. If parents are too dumb to keep their kids alive, they've got poor genes anyway and shouldn't be around. Natural selection FTW.

[holyschmoley]

Tylenol for kids did work for us when our daughter was less than two. You don't need the infant drops. You just use less of the kids drops - and ASK YOUR DOCTOR how much to use. It IS mostly idiots that do the overdosing.

[cbschinkelton]

immunizations... i wont go there..
Why not?

Measles, mumps, rubella, tetnaus - I won't go there.

[Penrph]

:rolleyes:

You should check the official release from Tylenol (I think their information is better than MSNBC's)...Here is the official list from Tylenol...it is all the cold and cough ones...the regular tylenol drops are not included.

are you being a jerk or just obtuse? There's a number of artucles that listed plain Tylenol Infant drops, not Tylenol Cold. Her response was entirely appropriate.

[cbschinkelton]

coupon let me print it twice. I would imagine that if you uninstall the coupon printer program and then revisit, you could do it again and again.

also note, there are more coupons on the right hand edge of the page (but not near as good as 5 bucks off)

OK, OK people! Time out.
It's not right to make this into some sort of a scam to screw the companies like this person suggests. These are supposed to be slick deals, not rip offs.

[Chandi]

:eek: That's a relief, was thinking there was something wrong with the medicine itself. Our baby just got his first set of 4 immunization shots last week so in order to prevent a fever/reaction we used the Tylenol Infant drops (as directed of course) and they worked great thankfully. It's nice to know it was just some morons that cannot follow directions. We still have nearly a full bottle left so I assume their fine to use.

So you medicated before a fever was even present? Thats responsible parenting....

[nats311]

are you being a jerk or just obtuse? There's a number of artucles that listed plain Tylenol Infant drops, not Tylenol Cold. Her response was entirely appropriate.

Probably a little bit of both.

There has been plenty of clarification here and all over the web that this shelf-pulling exercise relates only to the cough and cold medicines.

She was trying to recover from the fact that she was ridiculing people for not reading, yet in reality, she hadn't been reading very well either.

As a parent, I find it somewhat irresponsible to anyone to suggest that the cold and cough infant drops should be given to a 2 month old. I realize she was confused in what we were talking about in this forum (despite what appears to me to be a pretty clear thread title), but I still think it is irresponsible. For whatever reason, people do actually listen to what other people say in places like this, and I can just picture someone not returning the cough and cold medicine they got but instead giving it to their 3 month old tonight without contacting their pediatrician. I'm sorry if it comes across as rough, but I'm just trying to clarify the inaccuracy that was posted here that suggests such an activity is okay.

OK, OK people! Time out.
It's not right to make this into some sort of a scam to screw the companies like this person suggests. These are supposed to be slick deals, not rip offs.

Are you suggesting I shouldn't go load up on these and then post them for sale on ebay? ;)

[Chandi]

yes, four at once + an oral one (babies get immunizations every mth. at first to prevent against viruses/etc., some that can be life threatening). If you have doubts call your Pediatrician & they'll explain them to you.

Lol, not every month..... if your baby is getting them every month you are def paying your fair share of unneeded dr visits



Age really is NO indicator at all how much medication should be given.. Its weight... if you have a 2 year old who weighs 20lbs they should take less medication then my 2 year old who weighs 33lbs

[allihearisblah]

My 2 cents-

I do not think these drugs work very well, at least the few times I have used them. My pedi has always told me since my 4 year old was born not to use them.
They contain dextromethophin (SP??) and that often creates "strange" reactions in kids, ESPECIALLY if the parent is dumb and not dosing correctly. Dextro is a drug that teens take (on purpose) to get high..its called skittling...tmi??
So, I stay away from these anyway. If my kiddos are sick we do standard tylenol or motrin and then just saline drops etc, and whatever else the dr prescribes.

Also - I am not a hippie!

[angelwings]

I was just quoting the OP.

My point is that if you do some research and find out how many people die as a result of taking OTC medications that anyone can buy, then there wouldn't be many meds on the shelves. Alot of it may be due to stupidity, ignorance, lack of education, etc, but many people are dying every day.

for example:

"Each year, use of NSAIDs (Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs) accounts for an estimated 7,600 deaths and 76,000 hospitalizations in the United States." (NSAIDs include aspirin, ibuprofen, naproxen, diclofenac, ketoprofen, and tiaprofenic acid.)
Source: Robyn Tamblyn, PhD; Laeora Berkson, MD, MHPE, FRCPC; W. Dale Jauphinee, MD, FRCPC; David Gayton, MD, PhD, FRCPC; Roland Grad, MD, MSc; Allen Huang, MD, FRCPC; Lisa Isaac, PhD; Peter McLeod, MD, FRCPC; and Linda Snell, MD, MHPE, FRCPC, "Unnecessary Prescribing of NSAIDs and the Management of NSAID-Related Gastropathy in Medical Practice," Annals of Internal Medicine (Washington, DC: American College of Physicians, 1997), September 15, 1997, 127:429-438, from the web at http://www.acponline.org/journals/annals/15sep97/nsaid.htm, last accessed Feb. 14, 2001, citing Fries, JF, "Assessing and understanding patient risk," Scandinavian Journal of Rheumatology Supplement, 1992;92:21-4.


i am not the one who said two
i was simply responding to the person who said that it was two
yet now everyone thinks i said this lol
and keeps quoting me and bashing me in personal emails

and wow with those numbers based on what is being said here
lots of idiots out there dying from not being able to read

[Penrph]

So you medicated before a fever was even present? Thats responsible parenting....

quite a few pediatricians recommend that a child be pre-medicated before certain procedures (immunizations and circumcision are just two worth mentioning).
So yeah, following your doctor's recommendation would be responsible parenting.

[angelwings]

I support keeping these drugs on the market. If parents are too dumb to keep their kids alive, they've got poor genes anyway and shouldn't be around. Natural selection FTW.

wow let's hope you never have to deal with the death of your child
no matter how a child dies
it is a heart wrenching thing that no parent "deserves" yet you think some do

[LouPole]

So you medicated before a fever was even present? Thats responsible parenting....


Seriously? Can those of you using this forum to attack others' parenting choices, whether it be immunizations, not immunizing, giving Tylenol before immunizations (which is recommended by many pediatricians, by the way as a prophylactic measure), dressing baby girls in pink, etc., just cut out the hate and bashing?

Products were voluntarily removed from the shelves, there's a list of them, and there's a coupon. Period.

[KennyS2006]

Do you have to have your receipt? :-|

[AutumnGriffin]

Lol, not every month..... if your baby is getting them every month you are def paying your fair share of unneeded dr visits

*I was away feeding our lil man.....the first shot was admin. at his first checkup, he just got his set of 4 major immun. shots & has to go back a mth. from that date to do them again. After that it's immun. shot(s) every other mth. from what I remember our Pediatrician telling us.

*TY for posting the link to the Tylenol website. I checked out the CPSC.org for recall info but didn't see it posted there *yet* (sign up for their recall notice emails & they'll email when something is recalled~ which is surprising they haven't emailed yet). From what I read on the other link to the article the OP posted it listed the Tylenol Infant Drops which is what I responded to (even though some others were only posting about the Tylenol cold/cough liquid drops).

*My one sil (has 4 children) had to go to the ER with each one of her children after they each had their immun. shots because all 4 of them had gotten a very high fever. Our Pediatrician had said that if our baby had gotten any of symtoms like fever,overly fussiness, some other side effects give him drops & he should be fine. If his temp. got over a certain point to call him immediately. We used the Tylenol Concentrated infant drops (as directed) that night & the next day and thankfully never had a problem.

[KennyS2006]

$5 off. I bought a number of these to be returned, but I wonder how many of these will be printed/used by folks just playing the ECB game? [not that there's anything wrong with it, but a $5 coupon will get the CVS juices flowing!]

Oh yes.. a 5 dollar off coupon for a medicine at cvs is GOLD. lol

[DS7]

Do you have to have your receipt? :-|

I didn't have a receipt....played dumb and said "How would I know they would be recalled" Which really, I couldn't see that coming.

Not to take advantage of this recall, but it is perfect timing for those of us who bought this JUST to get the CVS Bucks.

[almostheaven]

Interesting topic. I just joined in order to put in my two cents after reading all this. I caught the tale end on the news and had to come see what this recall is, since I am currently giving my son the Tylenol Infant Plus Cold and Cough drops since yesterday.

1) I always checked with my doctor on dosing up until about 4 months ago (he just turned two last week), when the doctor told me that because of his weight, I should give him the 2 yo dose. So at this point, I follow the age and weight requirements.

2) I'm glad to see that the two I just bought don't need returned since he's over 2. I stock up on this as a bottle doesn't hold but a thimble full and goes very quickly.

3) No one can make the claim that it doesn't work just because it didn't work for them. It works well for my son, who has between 8 and 10 colds per year. Without it, I think he'd be perpetually sick. Remember that not all medications affect everyone the same.

Anyway, was glad to find that it was nothing I needed to worry about. This was one of the first sites that came up in my search. I appreciate the link to the Tylenol site on the info. That gave me the info I needed since I didn't know who to believe reading here. Too many people get too rigid in their beliefs, be it immunizations, overdosing, whatever, and start pointing fingers and being downright rude to one another. If this is the natural selection someone spoke of, we're in for a rough ride as a species. :(

[angelwings]

nm...

[angelwings]

welcome
and yes a rough ride indeed based on that theory
very well said thank you
and look out
SD can be rather addictive


Interesting topic. I just joined in order to put in my two cents after reading all this. I caught the tale end on the news and had to come see what this recall is, since I am currently giving my son the Tylenol Infant Plus Cold and Cough drops since yesterday.

1) I always checked with my doctor on dosing up until about 4 months ago (he just turned two last week), when the doctor told me that because of his weight, I should give him the 2 yo dose. So at this point, I follow the age and weight requirements.

2) I'm glad to see that the two I just bought don't need returned since he's over 2. I stock up on this as a bottle doesn't hold but a thimble full and goes very quickly.

3) No one can make the claim that it doesn't work just because it didn't work for them. It works well for my son, who has between 8 and 10 colds per year. Without it, I think he'd be perpetually sick. Remember that not all medications affect everyone the same.

Anyway, was glad to find that it was nothing I needed to worry about. This was one of the first sites that came up in my search. I appreciate the link to the Tylenol site on the info. That gave me the info I needed since I didn't know who to believe reading here. Too many people get too rigid in their beliefs, be it immunizations, overdosing, whatever, and start pointing fingers and being downright rude to one another. If this is the natural selection someone spoke of, we're in for a rough ride as a species. :(

[.Ally.]

So you medicated before a fever was even present? Thats responsible parenting....

...I am a pharmacist and I always give my daughter a dose of Tylenol an hour before her immunizations and for 24 hours afterwards to prevent febrile seizures, and so should every RESPONSIBLE parent....jerkoff.

[.Ally.]

Just wanted to add that I'm also upset about the recall....now the idiot parents who couldn't dose that properly will turn to the children's products. I don't really use dextromethorphan in my 15 month old often...but I use decongestants properly and as often as necessary. It's upsetting that medications that make her more comfortable when she's ill are being pulled because of some morons.

[pou099]

Why not?

Measles, mumps, rubella, tetnaus - I won't go there.

I find it sickening how the majority of the people in this world blindly follow what they are told, like sheep to the slaughter!

I was immunized against measles, mumps and rubella and got all my boosters, all of which made me HORRIBLY sick to the point I was almost hospitalized each time, and yet, amazingly enough, I am NOT immune to any of the diseases I was vaccinated against. :vomit:

I would say that is a pretty good reason to NOT go there!

There is plently of information AGAINST vaccines(look here for some http://www.vaccinetruth.org/vaccines_don't_work.htm ), and not much FOR(oh yeah, the pharma companies producing the vaccines are sure to recommend them and you can easily find out who is backing these "news flashes" where vaccines are considered safe-yup-pharma!!!)...But in case you don't want to believe the media(which I recommend you don't..) you can check with the government themselves:

Pretty funny that they have a vaccination injury compensation program in the US health dept if they are so safe...sure....

They have a list of "adverse reactions" that you can get paid for it they happen when you have vaccinations like anaphylactic shock, encephalitis, chronic arthritis, Paralytic polio(from the POLIO VACCINE-oh yes, please make sure to inject me with this so I can be SURE to get polio!!), and of course, death--nothing major, right?....and those are just the side effects that are reimbursable, it does not including autism(which was caused by mercury in "safe" vaccines....) or the "regular" effects like nausea, vominting, high fevers, aches and pains(more like screaming in pain...my poor nephew...) and other fun things...

Sign me up!! NOT!

[RichardV]

i heard about this.

[FatRak]

lol, you one of those hippie parents, eh? Our baby has 2 small holes in his heart so with immun's. it prevents the worst from happening (can get an infection terribly bad if exposed to the viruses or whatnot). We would rather be safe than sorry.
Yeah...I hate coming down with the Common Whatnots. It really puts a damper on your weekend when you're stuck in bed all weekend with the Whatnots. I long for the day that the pharmaceutical industry develops a vaccine for the Whatnots.

But not for nothing, I hear there are some really effective treatments for the Common Whatnots. Some home remedies include: 1) put butter on it; 2) take 20 extra strength Tylenol's (this with also help you beat AIDS); 3) dip yourself in scalding water; and lastly, the definitive cure for the Common Whatnots...4) douse yourself with gasoline and set yourself on fire.

[Penrph]

Yeah...I hate coming down with the Common Whatnots. It really puts a damper on your weekend when you're stuck in bed all weekend with the Whatnots. I long for the day that the pharmaceutical industry develops a vaccine for the Whatnots.

But not for nothing, I hear there are some really effective treatments for the Common Whatnots. Some home remedies include: 1) put butter on it; 2) take 20 extra strength Tylenol's (this with also help you beat AIDS); 3) dip yourself in scalding water; and lastly, the definitive cure for the Common Whatnots...4) douse yourself with gasoline and set yourself on fire.

really nice, jerk.

[kookoo]

WOW!

Wasn't this just supposed to be about a drug "recall" or info?

If I knew there was going to be a show, I would have brought the popcorn.

You should all stop telling each other how to parent, criticizing each other, and just move on for Pete's sake!

/rant

[cvs4ever]

I find it sickening how the majority of the people in this world blindly follow what they are told, like sheep to the slaughter!

I was immunized against measles, mumps and rubella and got all my boosters, all of which made me HORRIBLY sick to the point I was almost hospitalized each time, and yet, amazingly enough, I am NOT immune to any of the diseases I was vaccinated against. :vomit:

I would say that is a pretty good reason to NOT go there!

There is plently of information AGAINST vaccines(look here for some http://www.vaccinetruth.org/vaccines_don't_work.htm ), and not much FOR(oh yeah, the pharma companies producing the vaccines are sure to recommend them and you can easily find out who is backing these "news flashes" where vaccines are considered safe-yup-pharma!!!)...But in case you don't want to believe the media(which I recommend you don't..) you can check with the government themselves:

Pretty funny that they have a vaccination injury compensation program in the US health dept if they are so safe...sure....

They have a list of "adverse reactions" that you can get paid for it they happen when you have vaccinations like anaphylactic shock, encephalitis, chronic arthritis, Paralytic polio(from the POLIO VACCINE-oh yes, please make sure to inject me with this so I can be SURE to get polio!!), and of course, death--nothing major, right?....and those are just the side effects that are reimbursable, it does not including autism(which was caused by mercury in "safe" vaccines....) or the "regular" effects like nausea, vominting, high fevers, aches and pains(more like screaming in pain...my poor nephew...) and other fun things...

Sign me up!! NOT!

I am not trying to start anything, but you are an exception to the majority of the population. Statics show that because of vaccinations, there have not been the widespread diseases like you used to see before. (Yellow Fever..ect..) Whole families used ot be wiped out by viruses, so how can you justify the implication that they are not a benifit to society? True they might not be 100% effective, but for the 99% of the population that they are, that is a good thing. I have yet to find any medical proceedure that is 100% safe.

You have to look at the benifit vs. the risk. Look at birth...you would think in this day and age no one would die from childbirth, but they still do (even at some of the best hospitals) Does that mean we should never have children? How do you think the parents of the college students that die each year from Meningitis feel, knowing there was a vaccine out there for their kid, but they never got it. I read an article last week about a college student from NY? that died from this..a simple vaccine could have potentially prevented it.

This is a personal choice for each person to make, but I will be vaccinating my children because I couldn't face myself if they got sick with a virus that could have been prevented. My father had a brother die from the Chicken Pox of all things.. If my child did have adverse reactions, then I would consider the "cost" of doing more vaccinations..but so far none of my children have so it has not been a concern.

[hannibal-]

All these opinions with strong words, most from individuals I'm guessing are childless! Saw a few 'natural selection' comments in there to boot. Anonymously wishing for the death of people's babies! So a misguided parent trying to help their child and failing is horrible, but wishing for the child's death isn't! Isn't the internet great! You types wouldn't say a peep face to face.

The medicine says 'under 2 - ask a doctor'. You then go to the doctor who says its ok to use and gives a dosing roadmap exactly as it says on the side of the box for the 2 year old child. So back home you go to take care of you child. Common sense says less is best, but it leaves the door open for mistakes. There IS a grey area of responsiblity regarding infant cold medicine dosing; unfortunately, as usual, someone must suffer before something is done about it.

[maggiesma]

1. It doesn't seem that people understand that Tylenol is VERY different from Tylenol cold.
2. It doesn't seem that the Tylenol COLD products have been proven effective in children under two. TYLENOL is fine for children.
3. Tylenol over dosing is for TYLENOL not as much for Tylenol COLD. Many parents don't realize that the cup for Children's Tylenol is not to be used for the liquid infant TYLENOL drops.

While both things say Tylenol we are talking apples and oranges here. Apples- tylenol - fever, aches, pains. Oranges - tylenol cold - "might" help in theory with cold symptoms.

Pharmacists are great people, but they go to PHARMACY school not medical school. You should use your pharmacist along with your doctor, not instead of your doctor. I think most pharmacists would agree that the cold products don't help much in children under two. (They do make parents feel better because they gave them something, and might for 30 minutes or so get them looking well enough to drop off at school and infect other children).

I've never seen our pharmacist put a naked baby on a scale to get the proper dosing.

[annamadison]

At my pediatrician's office, we don't recommend giving combination drugs (ie. Tylenol cold and flu, etc) to kids under 6. Especially kids under 2! Plain Tylenol is fine based on the baby's weight. Also, it is common practice to give tylenol to babies receiving immunizations to ease the pain. I got one shot in the arm and it hurts. Can you imagine 4 or 5 shots in their tiny legs?
Basically, as far as fever goes (protocol at my pediatrician's office) , if a baby who is less than 2 months old and has a fever above 100.5, you need to call the doctor asap or go to the ER. If a child is between 6 to 24 months and doesn't have other symptoms other than a fever greater than 100.5 then he/she needs to be seen at the doctors office the same day. Also, no ibuprofen for babies under 6 months old.
It is so sad that some parents don't realize how harmful these medications are and don't read the instructions.

[equallydivided]

And this is why there should be a test at the hospital before taking a baby home.

[almostheaven]

I find it sickening how the majority of the people in this world blindly follow what they are told, like sheep to the slaughter!

I was immunized against measles, mumps and rubella and got all my boosters, all of which made me HORRIBLY sick to the point I was almost hospitalized each time, and yet, amazingly enough, I am NOT immune to any of the diseases I was vaccinated against. :vomit:

I would say that is a pretty good reason to NOT go there!


And yet, neither or, nor either of my children, who received all our vaccines, ever had any reaction, minor or otherwise, to our vaccinations. And the only childhood illness I or my daughter (my son is still too younge to guage) had were chickenpox.

It's just like saying that Tylenol Cold doesn't work. Not everyone is affected the same way. For some people, it may be more beneficial for them to not have immunization shots, but I believe the vast majority can benefit from them. Just as the vast majority likely benefits from these products that it appears two children died from.

Yes, any child that dies from a drug is one too many, but two means it is not an epidemic, and that it appears to be overdosing is the cause, recalling them, voluntarily or otherwise, really shouldn't be necessary. A major warning about overdosing during cold and flu season should go out on all news channels and that should be the end of it. But it appears to be one of those neverending stories.

[JWeavis]

:eek: That's a relief, was thinking there was something wrong with the medicine itself. Our baby just got his first set of 4 immunization shots last week so in order to prevent a fever/reaction we used the Tylenol Infant drops (as directed of course) and they worked great thankfully. It's nice to know it was just some morons that cannot follow directions. We still have nearly a full bottle left so I assume their fine to use.
Exactly the same reason we bought ours. Our son did break out with the pox (about 20 or so) and had a 103 temp. Really glad we had some on hand.

[pou099]

And yet, neither or, nor either of my children, who received all our vaccines, ever had any reaction, minor or otherwise, to our vaccinations. And you say I am the anomoly? Most children have at the very least a fever and bruising from vaccinations and many more have much, MUCH worse problems.And the only childhood illness I or my daughter (my son is still too younge to guage) had were chickenpox. Which I thought was supposedly a vaccinated illness? Why is it still around if it can be vaccinated against? And why are there so many more cases now?

It's just like saying that Tylenol Cold doesn't work.And there is no proof it DOES, in fact, almost everyone agrees it does NOT help except to help the baby sleep, and long term effects are unknown, so WHY risk problems down the road? We all have colds, give them some plain tylenol, wrap them up and rock them-nevermind drugging your children to sleep..... Not everyone is affected the same way. True, I could have been paralyzed, or become autistic, or even died from vaccinations..those are much worse...and as far as the cold medicine, many children did die from overdose...I think that is a pretty bad effect. For some people, it may be more beneficial for them to not have immunization shots, but I believe the vast majority can benefit from them.If you actually do the research, there is no actual scientific proof that "vaccines" are the reason people don't get the disease anymore...it could have been that the virus ran it's course or that the remaining population built up natural immunity or even more likely that the conditions in the area improved to make the disease less likely to come around...but nothing substantial to prove it actually stopped the disease, and in fact, in places that these "immunizations" were used to wipe out a disease-there are new cases popping up and more deadly strains that are worse than the original and in third world countries where the conditions are horrible, they still get them and then come to populated countries and bring the disease again and then the "immunization" isn't valid anymore because it is a new strain again. It didn't actually kill the disease, it just sent it into hiding and made it more powerful. Much like antibiotics have done to our germs thus creating "super germs" like MSRA that does not respond to antibiotic treatments and is even more powerful that the germs that were being treated. So much for modern medicine! Just as the vast majority likely benefits from these products that it appears two children died from. There are actually many more than 2 children who have died from overdose of the cold medicine...all in all, it really is a gamble using vaccinations or any unproven medicine. Alot of these medicines have only been around for less than 20 years, how do we know what the long term effects are? If they can cause someone to die immediately after having it, what might happen down the road?!?!?


All in all, it really is a gamble using vaccinations or any unproven medicine. Alot of these medicines have only been around for less than 20 years, how do we know what the long term effects are? If they can cause someone to die immediately after having it, what might happen down the road?!?!?

[almostheaven]

And you say I am the anomoly?
It doesn't really matter who the anomoly is. But for one person, because something doesn't work for them, to think that no one should use it at all, even if it DOES work for others, that's asking an awful lot.

All in all, it really is a gamble using vaccinations or any unproven medicine. Alot of these medicines have only been around for less than 20 years, how do we know what the long term effects are? If they can cause someone to die immediately after having it, what might happen down the road?!?!?
Anything can cause someone to die when used inappropriately. Even a motor vehicle does that.